Austin commercial foreclosures up; banks get aggressive

November 15th, 2010

Austin Business Journal – by Francisco Vara-Orta

Date: Thursday, November 11, 2010, 5:13pm CST – Last Modified: Friday, November 12, 2010, 8:11am CST

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Foreclosure postings of commercial real estate in Austin are up 13 percent so far this year compared with the first 11 months of 2009, according to a new report. But the tail end of the year has shown improvement, and as savvy investors pick up some few remaining steals, the market is cautiously optimistic.

From January through November, there were 951 foreclosure postings filed on commercial properties in the Austin metro area, compared with 838 for the same 11-month period last year, according to Foreclosure Listing Service, which tracks such activity throughout Texas.

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Fannie Mae asks for $2.5B in new government aid

November 15th, 2010

WASHINGTON (AP) — Government-controlled mortgage buyer Fannie Mae is asking for $2.5 billion in additional federal aid after posting a narrower loss in the third quarter.Fannie Mae also said Friday it was likely that the market disarray and suspension of foreclosures due to big lenders’ problems with flawed documents will have a negative impact on the delinquency rates of its loans, its expenses and foreclosure timelines. However, the company said, “we cannot yet predict the extent of its impact.”

Fannie Mae said Friday it lost $3.46 billion, or 61 cents a share, in the July-September quarter. That takes into account $2.1 billion in dividend payments to the Treasury Department. It compares with a loss of $19.8 billion, or $3.47 a share, in the third quarter of 2009.

The government rescued Washington-based Fannie Mae and sibling company Freddie Mac about two years ago and it estimates that will cost taxpayers up to $259 billion. That’s nearly twice the $133.4 billion Fannie and Freddie are in line to receive from taxpayers so far and would make it the most expensive bailout of the financial crisis.

The $2.5 billion in additional aid that Fannie is asking for compares with a request for $1.5 billion in the second quarter.

Fannie and Freddie together have repaid $16.7 billion as dividends to the Treasury Department.

Fannie’s chief executive said Friday the latest results reflect ongoing efforts to contain losses from the high-risk mortgages it bought from 2005 to 2008 and to build up new, more profitable loan business with tighter lending standards.

McLean, Va.-based Freddie Mac reported Wednesday that it managed a narrower loss of $4.1 billion for the third quarter and asked for an additional $100 million in federal aid — far less than the $1.8 billion it sought in the second quarter.

But neither Fannie nor Freddie are out of the woods yet.

The two mortgage giants have been hit by massive losses on risky mortgages purchased from 2005 through 2008. The companies have tightened their lending standards after those loans started to go bad, and default rates on new loans are far lower.

The housing market, however, remains a huge challenge. High unemployment, tepid economic growth, tight credit and uncertainty about home prices have kept people from buying.

Add to that the uncertainty stemming from allegations that big lenders used flawed foreclosure documents to seize millions of homes, a controversy that could put added scrutiny on Fannie and Freddie and bring fresh losses for them.

Fannie and Freddie used some of the same law firms that are accused of processing foreclosure files with flawed documents. They are revoking thousands of foreclosure cases from one Florida law firm which is under investigation for falsifying documents used to complete foreclosures.

Several major banks have been accused of similar conduct. If the banks can’t resolve their foreclosure problems and are barred from seizing many homes, Fannie and Freddie could absorb huge losses on loans they own or guarantee. That’s because they would no longer be able to recover anything on loans that have gone bad.

Fannie and Freddie buy up home loans from lenders, bundle them together into securities with a guarantee against default and sell them to investors worldwide. They own or guarantee about half of all U.S. mortgages, or nearly 31 million home loans worth more than $5 trillion.

Fannie Mae reported its earnings three days after midterm elections in which criticism of the government’s financial bailouts had figured prominently in many races. Fannie and Freddie have many critics, especially among Republican lawmakers whose party gained control of the House in Tuesday’s elections.

Over the next year, lawmakers plan to review the nation’s mortgage-lending system and consider a potential replacement for Fannie and Freddie. The financial overhaul signed by President Barack Obama in July didn’t address that issue, despite protests from Republicans that it was incomplete without such a plan.

An analysis issued Thursday by Standard & Poor’s found the total eventual cost to taxpayers of rescuing Fannie and Freddie and funding new entities to replace them could reach $685 billion.

Stock market woes hit Stowe, Vt., second-home market

October 14th, 2010
By Christine Dugas, USA TODAY

A population of haves and have-nots has created a two-sided housing market in Stowe, Vt., in Lamoille County.Stowe is a New England resort town that attracts affluent vacation home buyers. But the county also has small, rural towns where residents own moderately priced homes.

Home sales started to slide in July of last year, reflecting the economic downturn, says Tom Heney, a real estate agent at Lang McLaughry Spera. But for Stowe, the slide was much steeper.

Stowe has a second-home market that relies on executives from the financial services industry in New York and Boston. Because they’ve been hammered by the stock market collapse, vacation home sales have stalled.

Many second-home owners are putting their houses up for sale.

There are 221 properties for sale in Stowe, up from 179 a year ago, Heney says. Vacation home prices range from $400,000 to more than $1 million.

The problem is not worse because Stowe largely escaped the housing bubble. In part, that stems from Vermont’s strict rules for housing construction, which have prevented excessive building.

If the prices come down enough, buyers may be back, Heney says, because “at some point, Americans do love a bargain.” 

Stowe is still a popular vacation spot: Summers are lush, and in the winter, it’s known as the ski capital of the East.

Countywide, the market is so small that even a minor drop in sales exaggerates the percentage change.

In the first four months of the year, there were four home sales in Lamoille County, vs. 10 in the same period of 2006, says Jeffrey Carr, president of Economic & Policy Resources in Williston, Vt.

The county has a low foreclosure and delinquency rate.

“We’ve been lucky in that regard,” Carr says. “That’s attributable to the fact that our banks are more cautious and prudent lenders.”

Foreclosure crisis spreads from subprime to prime mortgages

September 9th, 2010
By Stephanie Armour, USA TODAY

The pace of prime borrowers going into foreclosure is accelerating, especially in states with mounting unemployment or property values that saw a big run-up during the housing boom.It’s a marked shift from earlier this year, when foreclosures were driven by defaults on subprime loans. And it has major implications — ravaging the credit scores of borrowers who once had unblemished records and dragging down property values in more affluent neighborhoods.

It also threatens to undermine the housing recovery.

“It’s definitely a concern,” says Brian Bethune at IHS Global Insight. “(Unemployment) is a major driver of foreclosures, and it will frustrate the housing recovery process.”

In the first quarter, almost half of the overall increase in the start of foreclosures was due to the increase in prime, fixed-rate loans, according to the Mortgage Bankers Association (MBA). At the end of the fourth quarter, 2.4% of prime mortgages were seriously delinquent, more than double the 1.1% at the end of March 2008, according to a report by the Office of the Comptroller of the Currency and the Office of Thrift Supervision.

“In the beginning, the higher-end (homes) were a bit isolated,” says Kevin Marshall, president of Clear Capital, a provider of real estate asset valuation. “But in the last several months, we’re seeing a significant erosion in the higher-end homes. It’s reached into the prime loans.”

California, Florida, Arizona and Nevada represent 56% of the increase in foreclosure starts, including half of the increase in prime fixed-rate foreclosure starts, according to the MBA.

That coincides with states reporting some of the highest unemployment rates. In California, the unemployment rate in April was 11%, according to the Department of Labor. In Nevada, it was 10.6%.

Economists fear that further increases in unemployment could lead to more defaults on prime, fixed-rate loans.

That’s what happened to Marvin Clayton, 47, of Waco, Texas. He lost income after his wife had a stroke and was unable to work. Then he lost his job a year ago. He’s now behind on his 30-year, 5.78% prime loan and is facing foreclosure in July. He is currently trying to get another job in retailing.

“I was trying to make it off one income but was struggling to make payments,” Clayton says. “I’m still hoping for a modification from my bank.”

Mortgage rates rise to 6-month high above 5%

September 9th, 2010
By Stephanie Armour, USA TODAY

Mortgage rates have risen to their highest levels in six months, threatening to delay a housing turnaround by discouraging potential home buyers.The average rate on a 30-year, fixed-rate home loan climbed to 5.29% for the week ended Thursday, Freddie Mac reported. That’s the highest since December and up from 4.91% a week earlier.

In early and late April, the rate was at a record low: 4.78%.

“There’s a real risk interest rates could climb up beyond 6% or 6.5%, which can immediately shut down the housing recovery and undermine the national economy,” says Bernard Baumohl, chief global economist at the Economic Outlook Group. “That’s the big battle to watch in the next couple of months.”

Higher mortgage rates are already having an impact. Applications to buy a home or refinance a mortgage tumbled 16% in the week ended May 29 compared with a week earlier, the Mortgage Bankers Association reported this week. Refinancing activity fell 24%. The MBA’s purchase index rose 4.3%.

Refinancings’ share of mortgage activity dropped to 62.4% of total applications from 69.3% the previous week.

While the Federal Reserve is trying to hold down mortgage rates by buying mortgage-backed securities and Treasury securities, other factors are driving up rates.

Mortgage rates have been pushed up by recent increases in yields on long-term Treasury securities, a benchmark for mortgage rates.

If interest rates rise more, that could make a purchase too expensive for some buyers. Weakened demand would delay the reduction of a high inventory of unsold homes, which is considered essential for the market’s recovery.

Some economists say the fundamental building blocks of a housing recovery are already in place and that rising interest rates will not derail the process.

“(Higher interest rates) could slow down refinancing, but the housing recovery is going to be one that takes time, and we’ll see setbacks on the way,” says Michael Darda, chief economist at MKM Partners. “I don’t think the housing market recovery is going to be derailed.”

Lawrence Yun, chief economist at the National Association of Realtors, say rising interest rates often have a short-term effect of driving more buyers into the market. Those buyers rush to buy so they can lock in rates before they go still higher.

But that impact is short lived.

“Further rises will impact buyers. That’s a risk,” Yun says. “Mortgage rates have been the lifeblood of the market.”

Seton, Lone Star Circle of Care launch regional pediatric networkSeton, Lone Star Circle of Care launch regional pediatric network

August 31st, 2010

By Community Impact Newspaper Staff Tuesday, 01 June 2010

WILLIAMSON COUNTY — The Seton Family of Hospitals will provide more than $3 million in grants to sponsor a regional pediatric primary care network in partnership with Lone Star Circle of Care, allowing two new pediatric clinics to open this summer in Cedar Park and Hutto. Three existing LSCC pediatric clinics in Round Rock and Georgetown will have their names changed to Dell Children’s – Circle of Care Pediatrics.

The network will establish clinics that are linked to pediatric specialists, subspecialists and Dell Children’s Medical Center in Austin. The goal of the partnership is to provide greater access to health care for underserved children in Williamson County.

In total, the five Williamson County clinics will be able to serve up to 40,000 children each year, Lone Star Circle of Care CEO Pete Perialas Jr. said in a statement accompanying the announcement.

“Starting with the two new clinics located in Cedar Park and Hutto, these most recent grants are part of a broader plan to establish additional pediatric clinics throughout Central Texas over the next several years,” said Mark Hazelwood, president and CEO of Seton’s north market, in a written statement.

Earlier this year, LSCC opened a clinical hub in the Texas A&M Health Science Center in Round Rock, located near Seton Medical Center Williamson. The facility includes six health clinics operated by LSCC and sponsored by Seton. The clinics provide primary health care and preventative services with special regard for uninsured and underinsured patients.

In the past two years, Seton has awarded grants totaling more than $5 million to Lone Star Circle of Care for the development of clinics in Central Texas. To reflect the collaboration between Seton and LSCC, the non-pediatric clinics at the Texas A&M Health Science Center and A.W. Grimes Medical Offices—an LSCC family practice clinic in Round Rock—will also have the Seton – Circle of Care brand.

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Could Austin Be Headed Toward a Housing Shortage?

August 31st, 2010

By: David Tandy, CEO

Gracy Title, a Stewart company

As published on Realty Line Magazine 8/2010<http://www.realtylineonline.com/Monthlypdfs/RealtyLine_Aug_10.pdf#page=27>

While the Austin MSA continues its rapid population growth rate, single family and multi-family construction has gone through a dramatic slow-down.  Will this slow-down in new construction cause a housing shortage?

In June, Austin was the fastest growing market (year-over-year) in the U.S with a 1.3% annual growth rate. Although our population growth has slowed from its hyper-growth rate in 2006 and 2007, we are still projected to grow between 40,000 to 50,000 in 2010. We have averaged over 55,000 per year for the last 5 years. According to the City of Austin Household and Population analysis, one household is created for every two and 1/2 new Austin residents; therefore, we will be adding about 20,000 new households per year to the Austin area based on our population growth. Looking forward over the next decade, those projections show we will add between 500,000 and 600,000 new residents: the equivalent of the entire population of Austin in 1980.

So the question is:  Will Austin have sufficient housing options for these new residents?

It’s doubtful multi-family options will meet Austin’s housing needs.  For the Second Quarter of 2010 the Austin Planning Commission showed only 975 multi-family units in projects with site plans under review and 8,885 units in projects with site plans approved.  Since it takes at least a year to obtain planning commission approval and a year to build and there are only 975 units currently under review, it seems likely that a shortage of apartment units over the next several years will begin to develop. Real Estate developers would already be building more projects but for the challenges of securing commercial financing.

The Texas A&M Real Estate Center projects there will only be about 2,500 units completed this year and we could have as few as 1,000 building permits issued for multi-family units. This would compare to about 8,000 multi-family building permits in 2006 and 2007. Add the additional single family new construction and it’s still hard to imagine how Austin’s housing needs will be addressed. There were 6,678 Residential (single family) building permits issued in 2009 and we are on track to issue about 7,000 for 2010.  By comparison, there were 17,600 permits issued in 2006.

To summarize, if Austin’s population continues to grow at its historical rate, in 2010 we will create about 20,000 new households but will create fewer than 10,000 new single and multi-family units combined. These were about the same number of units created for 2009. Due to the difficulty in financing new subdivisions and new apartment projects, we should see a similar deficit in new housing units in 2011 and 2012. At some point, Austin will have a noticeable shortage of new housing units which will impact resale inventories and home prices. Austin has not seen this small number of new housing units since around 1994 when the Austin MSA population was just under 1,000,000.

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Pent-Up Capital Generates ‘Ferocious’ Competition for Core, Distressed Shopping Centers

August 27th, 2010

Institutional, Foreign Investors Target Quality Assets and All-Cash Buyers Jostle for Smaller-Than-Expected Pool of Distressed Properties while Investors Continue to Ignore Middle Market

While still a far cry from the avalanche some predicted would hit the market a year ago, distressed shopping malls and strip centers have contributed to a marked increase in retail sale activity this year. At the same time, a rush by institutional investors to pick up quality core properties at the other end of the retail property spectrum has also led to an increase in retail property sales in a number of large metro markets, according to CoStar Group data.

Houston, Tampa/St. Petersburg, South Florida, Long Island, Boston, Detroit, Philadelphia, Los Angeles, Denver and Phoenix all reported double-digit increases in retail property sales volume in the second quarter. Distressed transactions as a percentage of overall retail property sales activity continues to rise, albeit as more of a trickle than a flood. Such deals account for as many as one in five sales, which are easily snapped up by opportunistic capital.

Meanwhile, among a second group of investors, a scarcity of core assets coming to the market has resulted in multiple bids, leading to firmer closing prices. These two groups are driving the sales transaction market at present. “At some point, their appetites will be satiated through more product coming to trade and the bifurcation will end, or else they will learn to eat elsewhere,” CoStar Real Estate Strategist Suzanne Mulvee said in a report.

Some larger deals closed in the second quarter, lending some hope that a stronger uptick in trading is on the horizon. Kimco Realty Corp. sold a 33-property retail portfolio, including assets in Florida, Southern California, and the Washington, D.C., area, for $370 million. Simon Property Group acquired a stake in the 2.3 million-square-foot Galleria mall in Houston for an estimated $260 million. In Detroit, the 1.1 million-square-foot Westland Shopping Center mall traded for $80 million, the same price it last sold for in 2003.

In general, these trades involved properties with high occupancies and good credit tenants. The other type of deals getting done today are foreclosure sales and single-tenant, net-leased properties, with few buyers seeming to be willing to take a chance on tenancy risk. This distaste for high vacancies is reflected in the rock bottom discounts some buyers are receiving. In Cincinnati, World Properties picked up the 1.4 million-square-foot Cincinnati Mall for $10.5 million, a surprising $7.50 per square foot paid for an asset that traded for $70 million in 2002. In the Chicago suburb of St. Charles, Moison Investment Co. purchased the 847,000-square-foot Charlestown Mall for $9.5 million, or $11 per square foot.

But who are these investors, many of whom are bidding ferociously for core and core-plus assets as well as deeply distressed shopping centers in big coastal markets in Southern California, New York, Philadelphia and Washington, D.C.? And what will become of the huge “middle market” of troubled and stabilized non-investment-grade properties in secondary and tertiary markets across the country?

CoStar set out to get the views of executives and experts with some of the nation’s largest retail brokerages to measure the depth and prospects of the recovery in retail investment markets. They reported strong and steady activity in the ‘extremes’ of the retail property — “extremely well-located and well-tenanted” Class A centers with strong anchors, and “extremely distressed” shopping centers with upside potential, for which investment funds have stockpiled tens of billions of dollars over the last two or three years.

“The retail investment marketplace in Southern California has seen a flurry of activity in the past several months, causing some excitement in what has otherwise been a very quiet year,” said Edward B. Hanley, president of Hanley Investment Group Real Estate Advisors, citing two-month period in which the firm has sold seven shopping centers totaling more than $40 million and more than 250,000 square feet. Hanley is marketing three more grocery-anchored neighborhood shopping centers at a price totaling $112 million.”

“There seems to be a more steady supply of distressed opportunities in markets outside Southern California,” too Hanley added, “and therefore I am seeing evidence of buyers from Southern California chasing those properties.”

“In addition to a few high profile bank-owned properties, we have also seen more equity sellers begin to come to the market with institutional quality shopping centers,” Hanley said. “Although the market fundamentals for retail properties still have some time left to completely recover, look for retail investment sales activity to increase as investors begin to tire of waiting for the avalanche of distressed opportunities that has failed to materialize. The equity sellers range from partnerships and family trusts to institutional owners. The buyers include syndicated groups, high net worth individuals, some institutional companies and numerous funds.”

Factors helping break the stalemate between buyers and sellers include falling capitalization rates and stabilizing pricing combined with positive news from the economy and capital markets that are combining to make now the best time in years to enter the market, some analysts said.

“The flow of distress is not slowing down for one minute,” said Donald MacLellan, senior managing director, Faris Lee Investments. “As the economy continues to trudge along with no real recovery in consumer spending and jobs, you’re going to continue to see distress, especially with all the loan maturities happening.”

That should lead to more investors making the decision to buy, he added.

“The attitude of the investor is completely different now than in 2009. On stabilized assets, there’s lending out there, and there’s tremendous capital available on the distress side. We’re seeing multiple offers on distress throughout the markets, whether it’s Phoenix, California or Las Vegas.”

MacLellan, along with Faris Lee President Richard Walter, represented Miami-based special servicer LNR in the $11.75 million sale of The Town Center Ontario, a 128,330-square-foot distressed property that was 85% vacant. French company Oxylane Groupe, one of the largest manufacturers of sports apparel and equipment in the world, paid all cash for the 8-year-old center, where it intends to open one of its first U.S. retail locations.

This transaction helps illustrate why the flow of distressed and foreclosed property has been more of a slow mud slide than an avalanche. High vacancy caused the property to fall into receivership 16 months ago. The eventual foreclosure offered buyers the opportunity to acquire it at a much lower basis than those of other competing centers in the area, Walter said. Faris Lee sought out owner-users to address the tenancy issue and worked closely with special servicer LNR. Providing an additional level of complexity, Oxylane Groupe has no U.S.-based personnel, which made making it more time-consuming to qualify it as a buyer.

“In this current market, we’re finding that distressed retail transactions require a strategic mix of expertise,” Walter said. “The team needs to understand location, market timing and have a depth of experience working with everyone likely to be involved in the transaction including owners, lenders, retailers, servicers, receivers and, in this case, city officials,” Walter said.

Hospitality and retail are the two largest and fastest growing areas in the distressed portfolios, MacLellan said. While the disposition of retail real estate by special servicers is much higher in 2010 than in 2009, and continues growing, servicers have only so much capacity and personnel to process transactions. Lenders and servicers can take up to 18 months to move a property from receivership to sale.

“There has been a lack of flow on the distressed side compared to what we thought was going to happen a couple of years ago, just because of the intricacies of CMBS debt and borrowers, who try and restructure the debt and modify the loan,” he said. “There’s a lot of negotiation, and that takes a while.”

“We’ve seen quite a bit of offer activity on distressed assets,” MacLellan said. “There’s a pent-up demand and a lot of capital. We have 26 offers on a two-story 25,000-square-foot retail-office deal in South Orange County (CA). It’s an REO receivership sale for a CMBS lender and the lender will finance, so we got tremendous interest. We’re seeing that across the board, whether it’s a higher profile lifestyle center REO or a strip center. We have a single-tenant asset that got nearly 10 offers.

“The offers are coming from all across the board. There are the private, high-net-worth investors who have sold companies and invested in distress. You have overseas money, whether it’s strictly an investment group, or in our case, an owner-user. Or you have opportunity funds created in last couple years, developer-operators, value-add — all of them have been on the sidelines for the last 2-3 years.”

MacLellan said there’s a pent-up demand also for core retail, stabilized and well-anchored with grocery or drug stores. But there hasn’t been much of it on the market.

“The pension funds are chomping at the bit to fund some core retail, but it’s not really out there. They’ll pay strong prices, but that’s just because alternative investments are pretty low. You either see core-plus which is stabilized institutional property, or distressed. Those are the two markets where there is pent up demand and limited supply.”

“Both the core and distress are highly desirable. The stuff in between has to be priced right.”

There is tremendous pent-up demand nationally for quality retail product and some of it has surfaced to the market or been in off-market situations a fair amount over the last several months, remarked Kris J. Cooper, managing director, capital markets, Jones Lang LaSalle in Atlanta.

“There is actually what we consider a bubble in the market because even though retail has not recovered fully, there is significant downward pressure on cap rates and increasing prices on core product. Cap rates have not gone down to the boom period, but they are aggressive. Most buyers want grocery anchored product which they feel is the most stable.”

The core buyers are the combination of institutional, REITs and a few private and foreign, German and others. The distressed buyers are primarily private, Cooper said. Distressed buyers have been very active throughout 2010 and while they have different agendas, they are only paying on in-place NOI.

“The lenders are coming back, so liquidity has somewhat returned to the market, but most distressed buyers are still paying all cash,” said Cooper.

“The next 12 to 18 months will see more distressed assets that are finally priced to actually sell, and hopefully more class A, B and C assets.

Alan N. Pontius, national director of commercial leased investment properties for Marcus & Millichap, who now oversees the National Retail Group, said the opportunities to get quality cash-flowing real estate with funds earmarked to produce stable returns on a comparative basis “looks better than ever at the moment.”

“What you see is a shortage of quality product, a landscape with low yields, and you have funds with definitive time frames to be invested or they have to be returned. You put all these things together at one time, and that’s why you see ferocious bidding on the highest quality assets,” Pontius said.

“Even though the economic picture, especially on the jobs front, looks like it’s been muted again and growth outlook and the economy continue to be choppy at best, we’re still past that horrendous period of late 2008 to mid ‘09. So if I’m an investor, I’m thinking if we still have some rough patches to work through, I don’t think there’s heavy downside risk. The interest rate environment is fantastic, the yield is very low and it seems logical that if I lock up truly quality real estate today, it’s pretty good timing.”

“If I’m a seller and looking at an asset and trying to determine my timing, and this is an asset that’s running to the end of its hold period, if I believe I’ve stabilized that asset today and NOI growth from today to a year from now is nominal, I’ve got to think this is a great time to enter the market as a seller with a quality asset.”

“There is huge demand for quality product right at this minute, and as a seller I can take advantage of that condition.”

Buyers are eager to find good quality grocery anchored retail properties with limited risk, added Jones Lang LaSalle Managing Director Margaret K. Caldwell.

“There is a ton of capital chasing these types of deals, but not the same investors that are or were interested in purchasing troubled assets. More institutions are considering selling core assets due to the decline of cap rates to near-historic lows. While cap rates might be close to levels where properties were originally purchased, in many cases the NOI has deteriorated.”

Unfortunately, Caldwell said, many potential sellers cannot recover their initial investment.

“If this situation did not exist, there would be more sellers. We are experiencing all types of investors attempting to purchase retail; it just depends on the quality of the deal,” Caldwell said.